Sep 9, 2022
In today's conversation, I am
joined by Kwame Christian, who I believe is our first 3-peat guest!
(Though Dr. Marco Palma from the Human Behavior Lab at Texas
A&M has technically been on the show three times, once was part
of a panel when we launched the certificate program so I am going
to say that Kwame is in a class all his own (for so many
Kwame was also my first guest on
the first-ever live show of The Brainy Business on Fireside earlier this week. If you haven't
heard of Fireside yet or checked out the show there, and if you
don't yet have enough Kwame (I know I never will!) check out the
replay within these show notes. Fireside is a new platform
co-founded by Mark Cuban where I was recently invited to do a show.
It lets the audience come up on stage to participate and ask
questions. It is really cool and I’m going to be testing it out for
a bit to see if this is a good permanent addition to the content
you get from The Brainy Business. So if you want to stay around and
have a chance to come behind the scenes and be part of the show,
please come join us there. And of course, listen in on this episode
as Kwame and I talk all about his new book, How to Have Difficult Conversations about
- [00:40] In today's
conversation, I am joined by Kwame Christian, who I believe is the
first guest to be here on the show three times AND my first ever
guest on the live show on Fireside.
- [01:42] Fireside is a new
platform co-founded by Mark Cuban where I was recently invited to
do a show. It lets the audience come up on stage to participate and
- [03:20] Today we are talking
all about Kwame’s new book, How to Have Difficult Conversations about
Race, which officially
comes out on September 13th.
- [05:18] Kwame shares about
himself and his background. Kwame is an attorney, does work in
negotiation, and has a background in psychology.
- [07:27] Kwame shares his
journey in writing his new book. He wants to be where the toughest
- [08:47] He is not here to teach
people how to think about race. He is here to offer guidance on how
to talk about race.
- [11:11] We are all biased in
different types of ways and we need to think more broadly about
bias. People need to have a more empowered stance when it comes to
- [12:32] Bias is real and it is
going to play a role so why don’t we take the time to calibrate and
manage the role of bias in our favor? It is a strategic tool we can
leverage to our advantage.
- [14:22] We are biased against
- [15:18] Let’s live with the
fact that we have biases and learn to manage
- [17:22] If we are not making
any mistakes that might be an indication of us not interacting with
people that see the world differently than us.
- [18:11] We have to be
outcome-oriented in our conversations. We need to know our goal and
then reverse engineer a strategy for that goal.
- [20:04] We need to recognize
that we need to be aware of the biases but not fear them. Biases
make us human.
- [23:07] Kwame shares a true
story from his book about a man named Daryl that tries to convert
KKK members. He has converted over 200 members.
- [25:51] We have more persuasive
power than we realize.
- [28:27] In these conversations
we are not going to try to win.
- [30:02] His new book can be
used by anybody that has any goal in a difficult
- [31:54] Anything that does not
violate a physical law is negotiable. We can negotiate anything, we
just need the right mindset.
- [34:05] Conflict is an
opportunity. These difficult conversations provide us with
opportunities. We just need to be curious and
- [36:26] Melina shares her
- [37:29] Not every battle is
yours to fight. Choose where you can have or
want impact and go full
force, one strategic decision at a time.
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